lou: looking at this economy, jobless numbers last week, terrific for president obama. 7.8%. yet his numbers are plumb et ceteraing plummeting. >> me had a weak, weak, weak debate last week, and these numbers are catching up to him. the president missed an opportunity to show -- point out contradition in romney's state and present himself forcefully. >> i thought romney was good, but not just that but obama of so weak. >> horrible. >> he was, i think that hit home with a lot of people, women are saying, wait we did not know who this romney character is but now obama is looking weak. lou: they are tied 47% among women, governor romney has a double digit lead among independence, governor -- president obama won by 8 points among independents in 2008 that is gone. >> we'll see what happens in a week, i expects the president to do well in the town hall format. lou, you do but you thought he would do well earlier. >> but now, you have liberal bloggers, saying he blew ii on substance and style, can he recover. can he seize the moment back that was lost. lou: what is your judgment? a